Old Interview: Peter Cetera, October 1, 1992

Here’s one from the archives — one of my first major interviews, conducted with erstwhile Chicago frontman Peter Cetera while he was out promoting his fourth solo album, World Falling Down. This is kind of like looking at a dorky old photograph for me, but it was a thrill at the time, and I think Cetera said some interesting things…

Having been there “in the beginning,” do you think that rock has become more style than substance?

I think if you were to look only at videos, you would definitely
think so. But I think it’s probably always been that way. I think
there are things that are tremendous hits where you go, “What’s
that?” and then there are things that aren’t hits where you
say, “Well now, I wonder why that wasn’t a hit. It’s a lovely song.”
I think it’s all the same. I just think it’s probably more of all the
same now.

Tracing your career, your emergence as a star was pretty gradual.
You slowly assumed more and more of the vocal responsibilities in
Chicago, and became the voice of their first two Number One hits, and
yet your first solo album was not a commercial success. Did that
discourage you at all from attempting a solo career?

No, it didn’t discourage me because I knew the politics behind it. The record company didn’t want it to become a hit, because they didn’t want me to leave Chicago, so they made sure that it wasn’t a hit. Even though I had a Top Ten — which was bizarre for Chicago at the time — AOR hit called “Livin’ In The Limelight” off that album, they just let it die, because they didn’t want me to have a hit.

The personal problems that went into the making of World Falling Down have been getting a lot of press. After so many years of
relative anonymity, does this bother you?

No, I don’t think so. I think it’s kind of refreshing, after all of the years with Chicago, not being able to voice my opinion about anything. You couldn’t talk about the group–you couldn’t really talk about anything that was happening with the group, because you’d get “Hey, what’d you say that about me for?” [Laughs] So, now that I’m solo, I can talk about whatever I want to talk about, and this happened to be the album where I wasn’t happy talking about anything else, so I decided to get it out of my system.

Did having your daughter around help you through that period?

Oh, yeah. Without her…[Laughs] It wouldn’t have been a nice thing at all. She’s just the greatest.

Now, how do you balance taking care of your career and taking care of your daughter? And given the nature of much of today’s music, do you find that you have to set guidelines as to what’s musically acceptable?

Yeah. I mean, she’s nine years old, I want her to be nine years old. I don’t condone watching any kind of video TV, I don’t allow that–I don’t allow her to watch a lot of TV. I don’t think it’s really cute for a nine-year-old to be dressing up like Madonna. They get old when they get old. So yeah, in a way I censor it, but she’s a wise enough person that she’s into the normal things
that nine-year-olds should be into.

Did having a child make you more aware of what you yourself write?

Uh…no, no. I was never the kind of person who would ever write anything particularly…devilish [laughs]. It made me probably look inside myself a lot more.

For a long time, your group got nothing but bad press or ignored by the press. How has this affected you career-wise now that you’re solo?

Well, I think that people — especially the press — tend to not change. Chicago got ignored…first of all, we got great press, and then we started making it, and we got bad press for selling out, and then we got ignored, and rightly so. Some of the things we did weren’t to the top of our capabilities, but a lot of people have that problem.

I don’t think we were controversial, and that’s sort of what happens when you have a group full of guys who all think they have an opinion. Everybody kind of counteracts everyone else, and nothing ever gets out. Being a solo artist, I just have to leave it up to the people. I’m definitely not going to get reviewed in Rolling Stone and People Magazine.

So it doesn’t frustrate you to run into the same problem as a solo artist?

Well, it frustrates me, but I also realize that I can’t do anything about it. So I stop thinking about it.

Do you feel any pressure to cater to MTV?

I would love to, but they’re just not gonna play it. They just have a set thing in they’re head of what they’re gonna play, and they’re definitely not going to play Peter Cetera. So I stay on VH1, and that’s fine with me, because our best critics have always been the fans, and as far as myself, I love what I’m doing, so that makes me happy.

What was the initial impetus behind your decision to go solo? I think you were recording for something like 13 years before your first solo LP.

I had always wanted to the solo thing, and then after the first album, Chicago kinda promised me that I could do the solo thing, and then they sort of reneged on it, and never gave me the opportunity to do it. They wanted to go one way, and I wanted to go another way, so we decided on a mutual parting. I did not, in fact, quit the group. If anything, I was fired for not going along with what they wanted to do.

I’ve heard many accounts of the band being jealous of all the attention you were getting.

Yeah, they were getting jealous, and I said, “Well, come on, if you’re jealous, then start doing something about it,” but they weren’t in the frame of mind to write songs, and I was the one that was in the studio most of the time,
and…I don’t listen to the new stuff. I’ve heard it a couple of times, but it’s certainly not what I want to listen to.

Let’s talk about each of your four solo albums, beginning with the first one. How did Peter Cetera end up getting released before Chicago 16?

Actually, we were out of a record contract at that point, and we were going along with the new record company, Warner Bros., and they sort of threw it out there while waiting for Chicago 16 to be released. It was nothing more than cannon fodder as far as they were concerned.

Did the fact that Solitude/Solitaire was released so close to Chicago 18 cause you to feel any pressure at all?

I didn’t really feel the pressure. I was so sure that “Glory Of Love” was going to be a hit, and “The Next Time I Fall” was going to be a hit. Really, the only pressure I felt then, and that I always felt, is to have hits with things other than ballads. I fight the record company every time they want to release another ballad off the album. That was really my only concern at the time. It was like, “Okay, do I take the hit or do I go with something fast?” [laughs]

Yeah, I noticed that earlier in your career, you were more apt to record songs like “Skin Tight” and “You Get It Up”…in your solo career, you haven’t done a whole lot of that.

[Deep breath] Well…you happened to mention two songs…

…That you didn’t write.

…That I didn’t write, and that I didn’t think were very good songs. [Laughter] Especially “Skin Tight,” I didn’t think that was a good song. Kind of a D-rated song. I just…thought it was a piece of garbage, but as the lead singer, I had to sing a lot of stuff I didn’t like to sing.

Also on Solitude/Solitaire, you did a duet with Amy Grant that predated her pop crossover success by about five years. Who set that up?

Actually, it was the record company. I was looking for a duet partner, and they called me up and said, “Amy Grant.” I had thought she only did religious music, but they told me that she really wanted to cross over, and she thought it was perfect, so I said “Sure.” The record company gets credit for that one.

On One More Story, you took a much more organic approach than you did on the previous album, and many of the songs are depressing – “Heaven Help This Lonely Man,” “You Never Listen To Me.” Is that when
you started writing about the problems in your marriage?

Yeah, I would say. Definitely. Some of it was reflected in the album, it was just starting to creep out.

The thing about One More Story that would have helped the album considerably was that I had been hired to write the theme song for the movie Big, and so I wrote “One Good Woman.” That was going to be the title song for Big, so if you listen to that song you’ll hear things about the fortune teller and all that. Right towards the end, when it was supposed to be in the movie, we got into some contractual difficulties, and I just kind of pulled the song. Had that song been in the movie, which was a smash hit, it would have helped the album considerably.

There were some really great songs on that album that were never released as singles, like “Peace Of Mind”…

Yeah. I agree, too.

…Which they passed over in favor of “Best Of Times,” which I never really understood…

I don’t have any idea what the record company…you know, you get kind of frustrated.

And that brings us to World Falling Down, which is almost a song cycle. In the beginning, the singer is saying “Don’t leave me,” and then she’s left, and there is depression, and then towards the end of the album it lifts back up again, and the singer is in love.

Well, “Have You Ever Been In Love”…that doesn’t mean I’m in love. It’s a universal thing, and I think it kind of wraps up the whole album. But yeah, I did plan that, yeah.

Your creative output was greatly reduced on this album. After years of writing seven or eight songs on an album, on this one you only wrote four.

Well, I just wasn’t capable of writing more than four or five songs on this album. It wasn’t a time in my life when I felt comfortable writing.

Did you find that what you were writing came out the same each time?

Yeah, that basically had a lot to do with it. After four or five songs, I said, “Okay, enough’s enough.” But I had found a lot of other good songs, so I thought it was time to do it. Just about the only thing I didn’t do was put in an old hit or an old standard.

You started out as a singer, not a songwriter; and in fact, I remember you saying at one point that the world was divided into singers and songwriters, and that you were a singer. How do you feel now?

Well, that was at the beginning. I don’t think you ever realize that you can write a song until you do, and then you’re constantly worried about ever writing another one. I really enjoy the songwriting thing, and I enjoy the singing thing. I’ll keep ‘em both.

What made you decide on Andy Hill as a producer, and what made you decide to record in England?

Well, first of all, Andy and I co-produced, which makes a big difference. I just didn’t feel that anyone could produce me, and I was always giving away credit to people where I was doing as much decision-making as they were, so from now on it’s going to be co-productions. I had known Andy through songwriting, and discovered that we got along melodically and over the phone and stuff, and so I decided to go there and write with him, and when I got there and saw a studio in his house, I decided that maybe it would be nice if we could co-produce some things.

On Solitude/Solitaire, there was no bass at all; just sequencing and synthesizers. On One More Story, you had other people play the bass. But on this album, you picked it up again for a few songs.

Yeah, this was a kind of…I had Pino Palladino play, and Jimmy Johnson, and I got in on a couple of songs. I figured it was time to get a bass back on there, and I personally hadn’t played in such a long time that I just kind of wet my beak, so to speak, on a couple of these songs.

You’ve been unhappy with the way that some of your earlier work was recorded, especially “Song For You.”

Yeah, and actually, that’s one song that I’d love to re-record. I’d like to get with somebody and kind of rework that.

Most people wouldn’t even know it was a reworking. It was a pretty minor hit.

Yeah, I don’t think it was even hardly out. That was a turning point for me. I figured I either had to get out or bring the group back to the top. We were just not functioning. It was one or two cylinders or something.

Are you proud of your older work? Do you still listen to any of it?

No, I don’t listen to any of it. It’s so painful to me to listen to anything before Chicago 16, when David Foster came into the picture and he and I kind of put that album together. Anything before that, I just never felt all that secure about, because there were always too many opinions. Too many people didn’t butt out. Some of the stuff is great. I think some of the earlier stuff is probably better, because…you know, “Saturday In The Park,” and “Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?,” and “Beginnings”… stuff that Bobby did when he was doing most of the writing and most of the decision-making. Once everybody started feeling that it was equal opportunity, things started heading downhill. I’m proud of the old stuff, but I certainly don’t sit around listening to it.

Do you miss the interplay of being part of a band?

Yeah, I do. I’ll probably put together a band to go on the road here shortly. That’s kind of the one thing I miss about Chicago, is we had loads of yuks.

So you do plan to tour to support the album?

Well, yeah, we’ll see what happens. If the record company supports me, I’ll help support the album.

What do you hope to accomplish as an artist in the next few years?

You always hope you have some kind of effect on people. When somebody comes up to me and says, “We’re getting married to your song,” or “God, that’s a great song”…that’s what makes it all worthwile. If I can keep doing that, then that’s what it’s all about.

Do you plan to keep taking more time off between albums?

It’s hard to tell. This one happened because of the circumstances. I just couldn’t do it. But, no, I’m starting to get ready to plan the next one.

I’ve been trying to find this out for about a year now. I was wondering if you could tell me why Danny Seraphine left Chicago.

Danny Seraphine got fired. The group decided that he no longer fit in the stage presentation, so they fired him.

[Incredulously] In the stage presentation?

Mmm-hmm.

Well, they have been spending more time on stage than in the studio during the past couple of years. Do you plan on working with him at all?

No. Not really. When it’s over, it’s over.

I just wrapped up a profile on the group, and it’s my feeling that they’ve been heading downhill. Buying songs from outside writers, and using more Scheff and Champlin material than anything from the original members…

I would agree with you on that, but the only thing I could say in defense of that is that if the original members aren’t writing stuff that’s worth putting on an album, then you gotta go with other things. Believe me, I haven’t heard anything that the original members have been writing, but if it’s not on the album, then it leads me to believe that it’s either not happening or there’s some personality conflict.

I really don’t know what’s going on, but I think your observation is correct.

Does that sadden you at all?

Well, that’s what’s been happening all along. There was a stage in Bobby Lamm’s life where he was one of the greatest songwriters in America. I don’t know what happened. James Pankow, even though I never really enjoyed his type of music, certainly a lot of people did, I mean, he had “Color My World” and “Make Me Smile,” and things that I didn’t personally like, but they were big hits for us and people loved them, but I don’t think he’s come close to writing anything like that in years.

So, yeah, I think it’s been going downhill. I don’t know if it’s complacency or what, but…

That about wraps up my questions for you.

Well, listen man, it’s been great talking to you. You did a great
job. I’d like to do a longer one someday.

JD: Having been there “in the beginning,” do you think that rock has
become more style than substance? 

PC: I think if you were to look only at videos, you would definitely
think so. But I think it’s probably always been that way. I think
there are things that are tremendous hits where you go, “What’s
THAT?” and then there are things that aren’t hits where you
say, “Well now, I wonder why that wasn’t a hit. It’s a lovely song.”
I think it’s all the same. I just think it’s probably more of all the
same now.

JD: Tracing your career, your emergence as a star was pretty gradual.
You slowly assumed more and more of the vocal responsibilities in
Chicago, and became the voice of their first two Number One hits, and
yet your first solo album was not a commercial success. Did that
discourage you at all from attempting a solo career?

PC: No, it didn’t discourage me because I knew the politics behind
it. The record company didn’t want it to become a hit, because they
didn’t want me to leave Chicago, so they made sure that it wasn’t a
hit. Even though I had a Top Ten–which was bizarre for Chicago at
the time–AOR hit called “Livin’ In The Limelight” off that album,
they just let it die, because they didn’t want me to have a hit.

JD: The personal problems that went into the making of WORLD FALLING
DOWN have been getting a lot of press. After so many years of
relative anonymity, does this bother you?

PC: No, I don’t think so. I think it’s kind of refreshing, after all
of the years with Chicago, not being able to voice my opinion about
anything. You couldn’t talk about the group–you couldn’t REALLY talk
about anything that was happening with the group, because you’d
get “Hey, what’d you say that about me for?” [laughs] So, now that
I’m solo, I can talk about whatever I want to talk about, and this
happened to be the album where I wasn’t happy talking about anything
else, so I decided to get it out of my system.

JD: Did having your daughter around help you through that period?

PC: Oh, yeah. Without her…[laughs] It wouldn’t have been a nice
thing at all. She’s just the greatest.

JD: Now, how do you balance taking care of your career and taking
care of your daughter? And given the nature of much of today’s music,
do you find that you have to set guidelines as to what’s musically
acceptable?

PC: For me?

JD: For her.

PC: For her, yeah. I mean, she’s nine years old, I want her to be
nine years old. I don’t condone watching any kind of video TV, I
don’t allow that–I don’t allow her to watch a lot of TV. I don’t
think it’s really cute for a nine-year-old to be dressing up like
Madonna. They get old when they get old. So yeah, in a way I censor
it, but she’s a wise enough person that she’s into the normal things
that nine-year-olds should be into.

JD: Did having a child make you more aware of what you yourself write?

PC: Uh…no, no. I was never the kind of person who would ever write
anything particularly…devilish [laughs]. It made me probably look
inside myself a lot more.

JD: For a long time, your group got nothing but bad press or ignored
by the press. How has this affected you career-wise now that you’re
solo?

PC: Well, I think that people–especially the press–tend to not
change. Chicago got ignored…first of all, we got great press, and
then we started making it, and we got bad press for selling out, and
then we got ignored, and rightly so. Some of the things we did
weren’t to the top of our capabilities, but a lot of people have that
problem. I don’t think we were controversial, and that’s sort of what
happens when you have a group full of guys who all think they have an
opinion. Everybody kind of counteracts everyone else, and nothing
ever gets out. Being a solo artist, I just have to leave it up to the
people. I’m definitely not going to get reviewed in Rolling Stone and
People Magazine.

JD: So it doesn’t frustrate you to run into the same problem as a
solo artist?

PC: Well, it frustrates me, but I also realize that I can’t do
anything about it. So I stop thinking about it.

JD: Do you feel any pressure to cater to MTV?

PC: I would love to, but they’re just not gonna play it. They just
have a set thing in they’re head of what they’re gonna play, and
they’re definitely not going to play Peter Cetera. So I stay on VH-1,
and that’s fine with me, because our best critics have always been
the fans, and as far as myself, I love what I’m doing, so that makes
me happy.

JD: What was the initial impetus behind your decision to go solo? I
think you were performing for something like thirteen years before
your first solo LP.

PC: I had always wanted to the solo thing, and then after the first
album, Chicago kinda promised me that I could do the solo thing, and
then they sort of reneged on it, and never gave me the opportunity to
do it. They wanted to go one way, and I wanted to go another way, so
we decided on a mutual parting. I did not, in fact, quit the group.
If anything, I was fired for not going along with what they wanted to
do.

JD: Off the record, I’ve heard many accounts of the band being
jealous of all the attention you were getting.

PC: Yeah, that’s ON the record! [laughs] They were getting jealous,
and I said, “Well, come on, if you’re jealous, then start doing
something about it,” but they weren’t in the frame of mind to write
songs, and I was the one that was in the studio most of the time,
and…I don’t listen to the new stuff. I’ve heard it a couple of
times, but it’s certainly not what I want to listen to.

JD: Let’s talk about each of your four solo albums, beginning with
the first one. How did PETER CETERA end up getting released before 16?

PC: Actually, we were out of a record contract at that point, and we
were going along with the new record company, Warner Bros., and they
sort of threw it out there while waiting for CHICAGO 16 to be
released. It was nothing more than cannon fodder as far as they were
concerned.

JD: Did the fact that SOLITUDE/SOLITAIRE was released so close to
CHICAGO 18 cause you to feel any pressure at all?

PC: I didn’t really feel the pressure. I was so sure that “Glory Of
Love” was going to be a hit, and “The Next Time I Fall” was going to
be a hit. Really, the only pressure I felt then, and that I always
felt, is to have hits with things other than ballads. I fight the
record company every time they want to release another ballad off the
album. That was really my only concern at the time. It was
like, “Okay, do I take the hit or do I go with something fast?”
[laughs]

JD: Yeah, I noticed that earlier in your career, you were more apt to
record songs like “Skin Tight” and “You Get It Up”…in your solo
career, you haven’t done a whole lot of that.

PC: [deep breath] Well…you happened to mention two songs…

JD: …That you didn’t write.

PC: …That I didn’t write, and that I didn’t think were very good
songs. [JD bursts into laughter] Especially “Skin Tight,” I didn’t
think that was a good song. Kind of a D-rated song. I just…thought
it was a piece of garbage, but as the lead singer, I had to sing a
lot of stuff I didn’t like to sing.

JD: Also on SOLITUDE/SOLITAIRE, you did a duet with Amy Grant that
predated her solo success by about five years. Who set that up?

PC: Actually, it was the record company. I was looking for a duet
partner, and they called me up and said, “Amy Grant.” I had thought
she only did religious music, but they told me that she really wanted
to cross over, and she thought it was perfect, so I said “Sure.” The
record company gets credit for that one.

JD: On ONE MORE STORY, you took a much more organic approach than you
did on the previous album, and many of the songs are depressing–
“Heaven Help This Lonely Man,” “You Never Listen To Me.” Is that when
your problems started?

PC: Yeah, I would say. Definitely. Some of it was reflected in the
album, it was just starting to creep out. The thing about ONE MORE
STORY that would have helped the album considerably was that I had
been hired to write the theme song for the movie BIG, and so I
wrote “One Good Woman.” That was going to be the title song for BIG,
so if you listen to that song you’ll hear things about the fortune
teller and all that. Right towards the end, when it was supposed to
be in the movie, we got into some contractual difficulties, and I
just kind of pulled the song. Had that song been in the movie, which
was a smash hit, it would have helped the album considerably.

JD: There were some really great songs on that album that were never
released, like “Peace Of Mind”…

PC: Yeah. I agree, too.

JD: …Which they passed over in favor of “Best Of Times,” which I
never really understood…

PC: I don’t have any idea what the record company…you know, you get
kind of frustrated.

JD: And that brings us to WORLD FALLING DOWN, which is almost a song
cycle. In the beginning, the singer is saying “Don’t leave me,” and
then she’s left, and there is depression, and then towards the end of
the album it lifts back up again, and the singer is in love.

PC: Well, “Have You Ever Been In Love”…that doesn’t mean I’m in
love. It’s a universal thing, and I think it kind of wraps up the
whole album. But yeah, I did plan that, yeah.

JD: Your creative output was greatly reduced on this album. After
years of writing seven or eight songs on an album, on this one you
only wrote four.

PC: Well, I just wasn’t capable of writing more than four or five
songs on this album. It wasn’t a time in my life when I felt
comfortable writing.

JD: Did you find that what you were writing came out the same each
time?

PC: Yeah, that basically had a lot to do with it. After four or five
songs, I said, “Okay, enough’s enough.” But I had found a lot of
other good songs, so I thought it was time to do it. Just about the
only thing I didn’t do was put in an old hit or an old standard.

JD: You started out as a singer, not a songwriter; and in fact, I
remember you saying at one point that the world was divided into
singers and songwriters, and that you were a singer. How do you feel
now?

PC: Well, that was at the beginning. I don’t think you ever realize
that you can write a song until you do, and then you’re constantly
worried about ever writing another one. I really enjoy the
songwriting thing, and I enjoy the singing thing. I’ll keep ‘em both.

JD: What made you decide on Andy Hill as a producer, and what made
you decide to record in England?

PC: Well, first of all, Andy and I co-produced, which makes a big
difference. I just didn’t feel that anyone could co-produce me, and I
was always giving away credit to people where I was doing as much
decision-making as they were, so from now on it’s going to be co-
productions. I had known Andy through songwriting, and discovered
that we got along melodically and over the phone and stuff, and so I
decided to go there and write with him, and when I got there and saw
a studio in his house, I decided that maybe it would be nice if we
could co-produce some things.

JD: On SOLITUDE/SOLITAIRE, there was no bass at all; just sequencing
and synthesizers. On ONE MORE STORY, you had other people play the
bass. But on this album, you picked it up again for a few songs.

PC: Yeah, this was a kind of…I had Pino Palladino play, and Jimmy
Johnson, and I got in on a couple of songs. I figured it was time to
get a bass back on there, and I personally hadn’t played in such a
long time that I just kind of ‘wet my beak,’ so to speak, on a couple
of these songs.

JD: You’ve been unhappy with the way that some of your earlier work
was recorded, especially “Song For You.”

PC: Yeah, and actually, that’s one song that I’d love to re-record.
I’d like to get with somebody and kind of rework that.

JD: Most people wouldn’t even know it was a reworking. It was a
pretty minor hit.

PC: Yeah, I don’t think it was even hardly out. That was a turning
point for me. I figured I either had to get out or bring the group
back to the top. We were just not functioning. It was one or two
cylinders or something.

JD: Are you proud of your older work? Do you still listen to any of
it?

PC: No, I don’t listen to any of it. It’s so painful to me to listen
to anything before CHICAGO 16, when David Foster came into the
picture and he and I kind of put that album together. Anything before
that, I just never felt all that secure about, because there were
always too many opinions. Too many people didn’t butt out. Some of
the stuff is great. I think some of the earlier stuff is probably
better, because…you know, “Saturday In The Park,” and “Does Anybody
Really Know What Time It Is?,” and “Beginnings”… stuff that Bobby
did when he was doing most of the writing and most of the decision-
making. Once everybody started feeling that it was equal opportunity,
things started heading downhill. I’m proud of the old stuff, but I
certainly don’t sit around listening to it.

JD: Do you miss the interplay of being part of a band?

PC: Yeah, I do. I’ll probably put together a band to go on the road
here shortly. That’s kind of the one thing I miss about Chicago, is
we had loads of yuks.

JD: So you do plan to tour to support the album?

PC: Well, yeah, we’ll see what happens. If the record company
supports me, I’ll help support the album.

JD: What do you hope to accomplish as an artist in the next few years?

PC: You always hope you have some kind of effect on people. When
somebody comes up to me and says, “We’re getting married to your
song,” or “God, that’s a great song”…that’s what makes it all
worthwile. If I can keep doing that, then that’s what it’s all about.

JD: Do you plan to keep taking more time off between albums?

PC: It’s hard to tell. This one happened because of the
circumstances. I just couldn’t do it. But, no, I’m starting to get
ready to plan the next one.

JD: I’ve been trying to find this out for about a year now. I was
wondering if you could tell me why Danny Seraphine left Chicago.

PC: Danny Seraphine got fired. The group decided that he no longer
fit in the stage presentation, so they fired him.

JD: [Incredulously]: In the stage presentation?

PC: Mmm-hmm.

JD: Well, they HAVE been spending more time on the stage than in the
studio during the past couple of years. Do you plan on working with
him at all?

PC: No. Not really. When it’s over, it’s over.

JD: I just wrapped up a profile on the group, and it’s my feeling
that they’ve been heading downhill. Buying songs from outside
writers, and using more Scheff and Champlin material than anything
from the original members…

PC: I would agree with you on that, but the only thing I could say in
defense of that is that if the original members aren’t writing stuff
that’s worth putting on an album, then you gotta go with other
things. Believe me, I haven’t heard anything that the original
members have been writing, but if it’s not on the album, then it
leads me to believe that it’s either not happening or there’s some
personality conflict. I really don’t know what’s going on, but I
think your observation is correct.

JD: Does that sadden you at all?

PC: Well, that’s what’s been happening all along. There was a stage
in Bobby Lamm’s life where he was one of the greatest songwriters in
America. I don’t know what happened. James Pankow, even though I
never really enjoyed his type of music, certainly a lot of people
did, I mean, he had “Color My World” and “Make Me Smile,” and things
that I didn’t personally like, but they were big hits for us and
people loved them, but I don’t think he’s come close to writing
anything like that in years. So, yeah, I think it’s been going
downhill. I don’t know if it’s complacency or what, but…

JD: That about wraps up my questions for you.

PC: Well, listen man, it’s been great talking to you. You did a great
job. I’d like to do a longer one someday.

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New Interview: Ben Jaffe of Preservation Hall Jazz Band

What follows is the full transcript from my interview with the Preservation Hall Jazz Band’s Ben Jaffe, conducted for an article published in the March 2011 issue of the Hilton Head Monthly.

While preparing for our talk, I read a few of your interviews, and one thing that really stands out is how often you talk about the need to respect the traditions of your music.

I was raised with a sense of tradition, and I was also surrounded by it. Being around Preservation Hall and so many of its musicians, I developed a respect for them — almost the same way other people feel about their grandparents. It’s from the heart — it’s that kind of love. I also think it’s incredibly important, because of the nature of what we do, to have a respect for those traditions and know where we came from.

What struck a chord with me was that even though you’re very aware of those traditions, the band has spent the last several years expanding its audience in relatively non-traditional ways — with the Preservation album, for instance, which found you working with an eyebrow-raising list of guest stars, or with last year’s single, “It Ain’t My Fault,” which came together more organically — and was released a lot more quickly — than most music.

I think at the end of the day, I see what we do as being a continuation of what bands have been doing in New Orleans for over 100 years. If you look back to the very early days of New Orleans jazz, I mean, Louis Armstrong, King Oliver, Bunk Johnson, Pops Ellstein, Buddy Boldin, Jelly Roll Morton…there were no bigger names in music. These guys were the hip-hop artists of their day — wearing thousand-dollar suits, $10,000 tie pins, bragging about their womanizing and drinking. That’s something that I think it’s hard for people today to understand, because jazz is presented in such a different way. Continue reading

New Interview: Kristen Alderson of “One Life to Live”

Here’s the complete transcript of my interview with Kristen Alderson of One Life to Live, conducted for this Popdose feature about the show soundtrack album One Life to Live: The Sound of a Kiss.

Let’s start off by talking about the way your musical aspirations have developed. Obviously, you’ve been on the show for quite awhile, and you’ve started singing more often over the last few years…

Well, I’ve always loved singing. My first job was being Molly in Annie on Broadway, and I’ve always had a love for it, and I think one of the things that’s so great about One Life is the way they utilize the fact that so many of us can sing. We’re lucky that they’ve done that. And there have also been a lot of events, like Broadway Cares and the Super Soap Weekends, where I’ve been able to sing and perform. Every time I do, it reminds me how much I love doing it.

To a certain extent, soaps in the ‘80s seemed a lot more open to singing, and it helped the careers of performers like Jack Wagner and Michael Damian. Why do you think One Life to Live has continued to maintain that tradition where other shows haven’t?

It helps that we have a lot of musical guests. Paul Glass always tries to get popular artists that are appropriate to the whole vibe of the show, and we’ve also done two musicals — first “Prom Night,” and then “Starr X’d Lovers.” He’s done such a great job — and with this last musical, it wasn’t just original songs, either. We got to mix in some hits.

Do you think there are more singers acting in daytime, or does it just seem that way because you have more leeway to sing? Even actors who don’t necessarily sing on their shows have released albums.

It must just be some kind of weird coincidence. I mean, we all don’t go on daytime, or on One Life, because we can sing. It’s like, “Oh, you can sing? And you can sing?” It just sort of happens. I guess there are a lot of singers on daytime. I mean, it seems like there are a lot of people singing in general — Kim Kardashian is recording an album. Maybe that isn’t the best example. [Laughs]

Have you ever talked musical shop with your co-stars? For example, Scott Clifton was on the show for awhile, and I know he’s released an album.

Well, I did talk to him about that, actually, because we both did the first Broadway Cares, and he did two original songs. When he joined One Life, I asked him about that, and that’s when I found out he had a whole album, and got to hear snippets on his laptop. It’s really cool when people get to showcase that other side. And of course, I own all of Kassie DePaiva’s albums.

I follow you on Twitter, and see you talking about music sometimes…

I’m a Twitter-holic! I’ve been diagnosed!

Usually, when soap characters sing, the songs tend to be ballads, and ones with a lot of big production. Kind of adult contemporary stuff. And it seems like Kristen Alderson listens to music that might be a little edgier than the songs Starr Manning sings.

Yeah. When Starr sings, it’s always really storyline-oriented, and she’s had a lot of dark things happen to her. Sad times. And so these are songs that are meant to give her strength — songs like “We Belong” and “I’m the One.” Power ballads. For me, in real life, knock on wood, I’ve had things a little easier than Starr does. [Laughs] Maybe that’s why I’m not singing about things like that.

But it’s always hard to pick songs to sing publicly. I do like to sing slow songs; I’m used to it, and that’s kind of where I’m comfortable. But you know, when you’re singing in front of a crowd, you want to do something a little more uptempo, to get them into it, and get things going. It’s difficult to choose. That’s why I just want Paul Glass to pick them and give them to me. [Laughs]

And also, Paul has pushed me to sing things I didn’t think I could. Like “We Belong” — I thought there was no way I was going to be able to sing a Pat Benatar song, but he said, “You’ll be fine, I have faith in you. I know how you sing. You can do it.” And then I actually sang it! I think sometimes I get in my head about stuff, and Paul is really encouraging.

I know things in daytime tend to have to come together pretty quickly. Was that true for The Sound of a Kiss? What was the process like for you?

We didn’t have much time at all. We would record the song maybe the night before filming it the next day — actually, I think it was a week before we started filming this stuff, we had a day where we had a big rehearsal space, and we learned all the choreography. The next week, we went in and recorded the songs, and then filmed the scenes the next day. It was a very fast, fast pace. But I sort of like it like that — it makes it more of an experience, because everyone is so focused, and I just like being busy anyway.

Do you have any plans for music beyond the show? Any thoughts of recording something on your own?

I don’t have any plans, but I would really like to do that someday. Anytime I perform somewhere, or I sing — like, for instance, on this soundtrack — it makes me want to do it more. I just feel like I’m still finding out what kind of singer I am. I don’t know what my singing identity is yet. Once I figure that out, I really would like to make an album.

You’ve mentioned the various extracurricular appearances that a lot of daytime stars make — you guys stay busy connecting with your fans outside the show. More, I think, than most television stars. Does this ever feel like an imposition? I mean, anyone with a regular 9-to-5 gig would start to think, “God, my boss is making me come in on a weekend…”

No, you know, I can definitely see how people might feel that way, but I think it’s a huge blessing to be able to do these events. I look forward to them. It’s more like an extra bonus to my job.

Were there any surprises for you while making The Sound of a Kiss?

I was really excited because Rie Sinclair, who wrote the song I perform for the album, “Hard to Give,” also wrote “I’m the One,” which I did during “Starr X’d Lovers,” and that’s my favorite song that I’ve ever recorded. She’s just such a wonderful songwriter, so when I heard she was doing this one, I couldn’t wait to record it.

I recently found out about Rie. She’s had some of her own recordings on daytime, hasn’t she?

Yeah, she’s a singer/songwriter, and she’s terrific. You know, when we pick these songs, we hear the demos, and so I heard Rie’s versions of “I’m the One” and “Hard to Give” before I recorded them. Every time, I’m like, [whimpers] “She sounds really good singing it!” You know what I mean? I try and copy some of the things she does when I record her songs.

And do you approach these songs differently when you’re singing them as Starr than you would if you were doing it as Kristen?

Oh, it adds a completely different element to be aware of. I mean, we’re not singing live when they film the scenes — they’re playing the recording and we’re singing along. But yeah, it’s just a whole different thing when you’re singing to the sky or whatever. It’s almost like a Broadway thing, which I love, because it brings me back to where I started, in a way.

New Interview: Kassie DePaiva of “One Life to Live”

Here’s the complete transcript of my interview with Kassie DePaiva of One Life to Live, conducted for this Popdose feature about the show soundtrack album One Life to Live: The Sound of a Kiss.

So here’s a funny coincidence: A very good friend of mine, Fred Wilhelm, has written a few of the songs you’ve recorded, both for your albums and for the show.

Yeah! He wrote [singing] “Too little money, too little…” He’s a very talented writer, and a really nice guy, too. I met him through Liz Moran, who is a publisher down in Nashville.

I was listening to your most recent album last night, and one of the things that really struck me about it was how unvarnished the production is. It’s a lot subtler than the type of thing you tend to do on television.

Well, that was kind of the point of that record in particular — to have an unplugged sound, more acoustic. David Nichtern, who produced it, just loves bluegrass, and that’s just kind of the feel I wanted for that particular album.

I had taken a more produced approach with my second album, No Regrets, and did a vanity project with my first release, Naked. So this was more just singing pretty ditties with a little production.

This leads me to another question, which is: How do you approach song selection when you’re performing on the show? How much is up to you?

Well, it’s interesting. Sometimes they let me sing songs from my albums on the show — [Executive Producer] Frank Valentini has been very generous that way — but most of the songs…you know, by the time I find out that I’m singing, it’s already been in the works for a couple of weeks with the writers and the music supervisor, Paul Glass — who is brilliant. He already has something in mind. And now because of production, and ABC wanting to own publishing and such, I kinda just leave all that up to them.

Paul certainly knows my voice, and he knows where the story is going, probably more than I do, and he gives me options, definitely. I just say “At least give it to me 10 days in advance so I can learn it!” [Laughs] You know, be true to it. Give it some justice.

The music is just like anything else with the show — it’s about the story. And ultimately, it shouldn’t be our choice, because we’re not the writers and we don’t have the overall picture. I could pick thousands of great songs, but how is it most appropriate to tell the story? Are they using it in Act Six, or is it me singing to Starr, or is it me singing to tell Todd I hate him?

That’s what I think the true strength of One Life to Live is, and how they use me. They can use the songs in different ways, whether it’s a performance or really using it to tell a story. I think Frank Valentini really loves music, and it shows. He uses it to really enhance the palette.

We spoke with Paul Glass a couple of years ago…

Well, Paul’s brilliant. I mean, just with The Sound of a Kiss, he worked so hard. He and Dave Marino are really the ones who put their hearts and souls into it. Paul produced the vocals, he found the songs, and he’s just a dream to work with. He’s had this vision for music — in fact, we both shared this vision of music for ABC, long before they started selling it on iTunes.

It’s just so hard for a television company to realize that there is music to be made, and money to be made selling it. You’d think one hand would feed the other, but sometimes things are so disconnected. Finally, though, I think things are coming together as far as bridging that musical gap with the show. But Paul is a genius, and he should get all the glory on this one.

A consistent theme in the commentary surrounding One Life to Live is the thought that the show has been neglected by the network in terms of promotional efforts.

Oh, yeah. It’s interesting — I was watching the show yesterday, and there was this big thing about the Oprah episode that focused on daytime, all these commercials. And the show was all about Susan Lucci and all of Erica Kane’s husbands, and, you know, Luke and Laura. I didn’t see it, because I had to work, but I was watching our show while I was here, because I think it’s really good right now. And I was sitting in the rehearsal hall thinking “Dang, why couldn’t it have been Erika [Slezak, who has played Viki Lord on the show for 40 years] up there, talking about all of her character’s personalities?”

Our show has had just as many iconic moments and actors as any show, and we contribute to the ABC lineup too, and it seems like we’re just the red-headed stepchild sometimes. [Laughs] It’s frustrating sometimes, after being here for 18 years, not to go, “What is it?” I think it’s consistently strong. I mean, do you watch the show?

I do, yeah. I grew up during ABC’s “love in the afternoon” era, and my mom was at home during the day; she watched the whole ABC block, so I did too. I fell away from it as I got older, but during the writer’s strike a few years ago, I read that OLTL was in a creative renaissance period, so I decided to check it out again, and I’m still watching it. I think just as a format, the five-days-a-week serial is really fascinating, and it holds a lot of potential that’s often hard to tap into because of limitations at the network level –

I agree with you. I so agree with you. And I think our show in particular, at the moment, we have so much on the canvas that we could even do a spinoff. We could do two hours a day.

I think one of the greatest areas of potential in these shows — and one that they really don’t utilize as often as they should — is the way you can really anchor a character into the canvas over a long period of time and build connections with newer characters as you go. The magic of the “umbrella story.” But especially recently, OLTL has been smart about keeping veteran characters involved.

Oh, yeah. I’m unfortunately getting into that upper echelon [laughs] where all I can do is just tighten my bra straps and hopefully I can hang in there awhile longer! You start off as an ingenue, and before you know it, you’re a matriarch. Oh my gosh, Blair has grandchildren. I am thrilled, though. Like you said, it’s one of those unique things about working in daytime — not only have I lived my own life, but I’ve lived Blair’s life too. I can look back over her life and think “Wow, it happened so fast,” and my life is certainly not as exciting, but all that water that goes under the bridge is pretty amazing.

Does it add another layer to the performance for you when you’re singing as Blair?

Yes, definitely. I can’t often give the performance that I would if I were recording an album, because I’m coming from an emotional place that’s about the story. Performing on One Life to Live is usually within the context of an oven of emotion, you know, some deep-rooted emotional story to tell, whereas on my albums, I’m just trying to convey an emotional connection to a song, so there are a lot more variables on the show. Plus, you’re shooting a video at the same time — you’ve got to hit your notes, and hit your marks.

What are your future plans for your recording career?

I’m not working on anything right now. You know, I was singing with Kathy Brier [ex-Marcie, OLTL] and Bobbie Eakes [Krystal, All My Children] as the Divas of Daytime, and I love that more than anything. I mean, if I could give up my day job and do anything, I just love singing with those women. The harmonies give me chills. But with Kathy off the show and Bobbie out in California, the logistics make it a little more difficult. But we do some concerts every now and then, and we have some possibilities for 2011 — nothing etched in stone, which frustrates me a little, because that is just such a nice break from doing whatever I do. I get so much joy out of being on stage singing with those ladies.

Have you given any thought to recording with them?

We’ve done some recording — we did a little Christmas CD, and we have some ideas and thoughts about recording. But again, it comes down to getting us in the same town. But where there’s a will, there’s a way, and you end up doing the things that you love, and if we want to keep it going, we’ve got to do it.

Well, I did really enjoy that most recent album. I think that within daytime, there’s a certain predilection toward…well, I guess melodrama is one way to put it –

Well, it is melodrama. I mean, soaps don’t need to be fixed. It’s heightened and it is melodrama, and that’s what makes it great!

But you still need actors who understand when to bring subtlety to a performance. It stands out in that context, and you do it. I appreciate it.

Well, what’s nice about Blair, I think, is that she is an over the top, in your face, life’s-a-bitch kind of woman, but when she’s around her children, or when she is wounded, those are real moments for her. I really try to get those across, otherwise the character is just a one-note pony, and I like to show the variety — play the octave, you know? [Laughs]

Right, and that’s also what I appreciated about I Want to Love You, because most music associated with soaps only reflects that melodrama — lots of bombast, lots of production — and it’s nice to hear someone proving that doesn’t always have to be the case.

My second album had more of what you’re talking about, and it had a lot of songs that I thought would have worked for Blair. But this last album, there really aren’t many — I think I’ve performed three of them on the show. I mean, Frank Valentini isn’t a huge country fan.

Well, I hope you continue to maintain your dual careers. I know juggling them must take some skill.

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It’s just the craziness of it. You know, for my last album, I did a proper release through a label, and I have 10,000 CDs sitting in my barn. [Laughs] If you can think of any way to get rid of ‘em, let me know!

I have the same problem! I’ve released CDs of my own, and I have boxes full of them in my basement. My wife is not amused.

Yeah, and that’s the crazy thing of it. I don’t like the business aspect of it. If someone else would take care of that…now, you can just take your music straight to iTunes without worrying about a physical release, and that’s probably the smart way to do it, but then you still need someone else to administrate all that stuff. I’m too busy! [Laughs]

In the meantime, there are your two songs on The Sound of a Kiss.

Right, and it’s just a question of getting the word out. Our fans will find out, but how do you get the information out there?

Well, we’ll try and help a little with that.

You’re kind and generous, and it’s appreciated.

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