New Interview: Kristen Alderson of “One Life to Live”

Here’s the complete transcript of my interview with Kristen Alderson of One Life to Live, conducted for this Popdose feature about the show soundtrack album One Life to Live: The Sound of a Kiss.

Let’s start off by talking about the way your musical aspirations have developed. Obviously, you’ve been on the show for quite awhile, and you’ve started singing more often over the last few years…

Well, I’ve always loved singing. My first job was being Molly in Annie on Broadway, and I’ve always had a love for it, and I think one of the things that’s so great about One Life is the way they utilize the fact that so many of us can sing. We’re lucky that they’ve done that. And there have also been a lot of events, like Broadway Cares and the Super Soap Weekends, where I’ve been able to sing and perform. Every time I do, it reminds me how much I love doing it.

To a certain extent, soaps in the ‘80s seemed a lot more open to singing, and it helped the careers of performers like Jack Wagner and Michael Damian. Why do you think One Life to Live has continued to maintain that tradition where other shows haven’t?

It helps that we have a lot of musical guests. Paul Glass always tries to get popular artists that are appropriate to the whole vibe of the show, and we’ve also done two musicals — first “Prom Night,” and then “Starr X’d Lovers.” He’s done such a great job — and with this last musical, it wasn’t just original songs, either. We got to mix in some hits.

Do you think there are more singers acting in daytime, or does it just seem that way because you have more leeway to sing? Even actors who don’t necessarily sing on their shows have released albums.

It must just be some kind of weird coincidence. I mean, we all don’t go on daytime, or on One Life, because we can sing. It’s like, “Oh, you can sing? And you can sing?” It just sort of happens. I guess there are a lot of singers on daytime. I mean, it seems like there are a lot of people singing in general — Kim Kardashian is recording an album. Maybe that isn’t the best example. [Laughs]

Have you ever talked musical shop with your co-stars? For example, Scott Clifton was on the show for awhile, and I know he’s released an album.

Well, I did talk to him about that, actually, because we both did the first Broadway Cares, and he did two original songs. When he joined One Life, I asked him about that, and that’s when I found out he had a whole album, and got to hear snippets on his laptop. It’s really cool when people get to showcase that other side. And of course, I own all of Kassie DePaiva’s albums.

I follow you on Twitter, and see you talking about music sometimes…

I’m a Twitter-holic! I’ve been diagnosed!

Usually, when soap characters sing, the songs tend to be ballads, and ones with a lot of big production. Kind of adult contemporary stuff. And it seems like Kristen Alderson listens to music that might be a little edgier than the songs Starr Manning sings.

Yeah. When Starr sings, it’s always really storyline-oriented, and she’s had a lot of dark things happen to her. Sad times. And so these are songs that are meant to give her strength — songs like “We Belong” and “I’m the One.” Power ballads. For me, in real life, knock on wood, I’ve had things a little easier than Starr does. [Laughs] Maybe that’s why I’m not singing about things like that.

But it’s always hard to pick songs to sing publicly. I do like to sing slow songs; I’m used to it, and that’s kind of where I’m comfortable. But you know, when you’re singing in front of a crowd, you want to do something a little more uptempo, to get them into it, and get things going. It’s difficult to choose. That’s why I just want Paul Glass to pick them and give them to me. [Laughs]

And also, Paul has pushed me to sing things I didn’t think I could. Like “We Belong” — I thought there was no way I was going to be able to sing a Pat Benatar song, but he said, “You’ll be fine, I have faith in you. I know how you sing. You can do it.” And then I actually sang it! I think sometimes I get in my head about stuff, and Paul is really encouraging.

I know things in daytime tend to have to come together pretty quickly. Was that true for The Sound of a Kiss? What was the process like for you?

We didn’t have much time at all. We would record the song maybe the night before filming it the next day — actually, I think it was a week before we started filming this stuff, we had a day where we had a big rehearsal space, and we learned all the choreography. The next week, we went in and recorded the songs, and then filmed the scenes the next day. It was a very fast, fast pace. But I sort of like it like that — it makes it more of an experience, because everyone is so focused, and I just like being busy anyway.

Do you have any plans for music beyond the show? Any thoughts of recording something on your own?

I don’t have any plans, but I would really like to do that someday. Anytime I perform somewhere, or I sing — like, for instance, on this soundtrack — it makes me want to do it more. I just feel like I’m still finding out what kind of singer I am. I don’t know what my singing identity is yet. Once I figure that out, I really would like to make an album.

You’ve mentioned the various extracurricular appearances that a lot of daytime stars make — you guys stay busy connecting with your fans outside the show. More, I think, than most television stars. Does this ever feel like an imposition? I mean, anyone with a regular 9-to-5 gig would start to think, “God, my boss is making me come in on a weekend…”

No, you know, I can definitely see how people might feel that way, but I think it’s a huge blessing to be able to do these events. I look forward to them. It’s more like an extra bonus to my job.

Were there any surprises for you while making The Sound of a Kiss?

I was really excited because Rie Sinclair, who wrote the song I perform for the album, “Hard to Give,” also wrote “I’m the One,” which I did during “Starr X’d Lovers,” and that’s my favorite song that I’ve ever recorded. She’s just such a wonderful songwriter, so when I heard she was doing this one, I couldn’t wait to record it.

I recently found out about Rie. She’s had some of her own recordings on daytime, hasn’t she?

Yeah, she’s a singer/songwriter, and she’s terrific. You know, when we pick these songs, we hear the demos, and so I heard Rie’s versions of “I’m the One” and “Hard to Give” before I recorded them. Every time, I’m like, [whimpers] “She sounds really good singing it!” You know what I mean? I try and copy some of the things she does when I record her songs.

And do you approach these songs differently when you’re singing them as Starr than you would if you were doing it as Kristen?

Oh, it adds a completely different element to be aware of. I mean, we’re not singing live when they film the scenes — they’re playing the recording and we’re singing along. But yeah, it’s just a whole different thing when you’re singing to the sky or whatever. It’s almost like a Broadway thing, which I love, because it brings me back to where I started, in a way.

New Interview: Kassie DePaiva of “One Life to Live”

Here’s the complete transcript of my interview with Kassie DePaiva of One Life to Live, conducted for this Popdose feature about the show soundtrack album One Life to Live: The Sound of a Kiss.

So here’s a funny coincidence: A very good friend of mine, Fred Wilhelm, has written a few of the songs you’ve recorded, both for your albums and for the show.

Yeah! He wrote [singing] “Too little money, too little…” He’s a very talented writer, and a really nice guy, too. I met him through Liz Moran, who is a publisher down in Nashville.

I was listening to your most recent album last night, and one of the things that really struck me about it was how unvarnished the production is. It’s a lot subtler than the type of thing you tend to do on television.

Well, that was kind of the point of that record in particular — to have an unplugged sound, more acoustic. David Nichtern, who produced it, just loves bluegrass, and that’s just kind of the feel I wanted for that particular album.

I had taken a more produced approach with my second album, No Regrets, and did a vanity project with my first release, Naked. So this was more just singing pretty ditties with a little production.

This leads me to another question, which is: How do you approach song selection when you’re performing on the show? How much is up to you?

Well, it’s interesting. Sometimes they let me sing songs from my albums on the show — [Executive Producer] Frank Valentini has been very generous that way — but most of the songs…you know, by the time I find out that I’m singing, it’s already been in the works for a couple of weeks with the writers and the music supervisor, Paul Glass — who is brilliant. He already has something in mind. And now because of production, and ABC wanting to own publishing and such, I kinda just leave all that up to them.

Paul certainly knows my voice, and he knows where the story is going, probably more than I do, and he gives me options, definitely. I just say “At least give it to me 10 days in advance so I can learn it!” [Laughs] You know, be true to it. Give it some justice.

The music is just like anything else with the show — it’s about the story. And ultimately, it shouldn’t be our choice, because we’re not the writers and we don’t have the overall picture. I could pick thousands of great songs, but how is it most appropriate to tell the story? Are they using it in Act Six, or is it me singing to Starr, or is it me singing to tell Todd I hate him?

That’s what I think the true strength of One Life to Live is, and how they use me. They can use the songs in different ways, whether it’s a performance or really using it to tell a story. I think Frank Valentini really loves music, and it shows. He uses it to really enhance the palette.

We spoke with Paul Glass a couple of years ago…

Well, Paul’s brilliant. I mean, just with The Sound of a Kiss, he worked so hard. He and Dave Marino are really the ones who put their hearts and souls into it. Paul produced the vocals, he found the songs, and he’s just a dream to work with. He’s had this vision for music — in fact, we both shared this vision of music for ABC, long before they started selling it on iTunes.

It’s just so hard for a television company to realize that there is music to be made, and money to be made selling it. You’d think one hand would feed the other, but sometimes things are so disconnected. Finally, though, I think things are coming together as far as bridging that musical gap with the show. But Paul is a genius, and he should get all the glory on this one.

A consistent theme in the commentary surrounding One Life to Live is the thought that the show has been neglected by the network in terms of promotional efforts.

Oh, yeah. It’s interesting — I was watching the show yesterday, and there was this big thing about the Oprah episode that focused on daytime, all these commercials. And the show was all about Susan Lucci and all of Erica Kane’s husbands, and, you know, Luke and Laura. I didn’t see it, because I had to work, but I was watching our show while I was here, because I think it’s really good right now. And I was sitting in the rehearsal hall thinking “Dang, why couldn’t it have been Erika [Slezak, who has played Viki Lord on the show for 40 years] up there, talking about all of her character’s personalities?”

Our show has had just as many iconic moments and actors as any show, and we contribute to the ABC lineup too, and it seems like we’re just the red-headed stepchild sometimes. [Laughs] It’s frustrating sometimes, after being here for 18 years, not to go, “What is it?” I think it’s consistently strong. I mean, do you watch the show?

I do, yeah. I grew up during ABC’s “love in the afternoon” era, and my mom was at home during the day; she watched the whole ABC block, so I did too. I fell away from it as I got older, but during the writer’s strike a few years ago, I read that OLTL was in a creative renaissance period, so I decided to check it out again, and I’m still watching it. I think just as a format, the five-days-a-week serial is really fascinating, and it holds a lot of potential that’s often hard to tap into because of limitations at the network level –

I agree with you. I so agree with you. And I think our show in particular, at the moment, we have so much on the canvas that we could even do a spinoff. We could do two hours a day.

I think one of the greatest areas of potential in these shows — and one that they really don’t utilize as often as they should — is the way you can really anchor a character into the canvas over a long period of time and build connections with newer characters as you go. The magic of the “umbrella story.” But especially recently, OLTL has been smart about keeping veteran characters involved.

Oh, yeah. I’m unfortunately getting into that upper echelon [laughs] where all I can do is just tighten my bra straps and hopefully I can hang in there awhile longer! You start off as an ingenue, and before you know it, you’re a matriarch. Oh my gosh, Blair has grandchildren. I am thrilled, though. Like you said, it’s one of those unique things about working in daytime — not only have I lived my own life, but I’ve lived Blair’s life too. I can look back over her life and think “Wow, it happened so fast,” and my life is certainly not as exciting, but all that water that goes under the bridge is pretty amazing.

Does it add another layer to the performance for you when you’re singing as Blair?

Yes, definitely. I can’t often give the performance that I would if I were recording an album, because I’m coming from an emotional place that’s about the story. Performing on One Life to Live is usually within the context of an oven of emotion, you know, some deep-rooted emotional story to tell, whereas on my albums, I’m just trying to convey an emotional connection to a song, so there are a lot more variables on the show. Plus, you’re shooting a video at the same time — you’ve got to hit your notes, and hit your marks.

What are your future plans for your recording career?

I’m not working on anything right now. You know, I was singing with Kathy Brier [ex-Marcie, OLTL] and Bobbie Eakes [Krystal, All My Children] as the Divas of Daytime, and I love that more than anything. I mean, if I could give up my day job and do anything, I just love singing with those women. The harmonies give me chills. But with Kathy off the show and Bobbie out in California, the logistics make it a little more difficult. But we do some concerts every now and then, and we have some possibilities for 2011 — nothing etched in stone, which frustrates me a little, because that is just such a nice break from doing whatever I do. I get so much joy out of being on stage singing with those ladies.

Have you given any thought to recording with them?

We’ve done some recording — we did a little Christmas CD, and we have some ideas and thoughts about recording. But again, it comes down to getting us in the same town. But where there’s a will, there’s a way, and you end up doing the things that you love, and if we want to keep it going, we’ve got to do it.

Well, I did really enjoy that most recent album. I think that within daytime, there’s a certain predilection toward…well, I guess melodrama is one way to put it –

Well, it is melodrama. I mean, soaps don’t need to be fixed. It’s heightened and it is melodrama, and that’s what makes it great!

But you still need actors who understand when to bring subtlety to a performance. It stands out in that context, and you do it. I appreciate it.

Well, what’s nice about Blair, I think, is that she is an over the top, in your face, life’s-a-bitch kind of woman, but when she’s around her children, or when she is wounded, those are real moments for her. I really try to get those across, otherwise the character is just a one-note pony, and I like to show the variety — play the octave, you know? [Laughs]

Right, and that’s also what I appreciated about I Want to Love You, because most music associated with soaps only reflects that melodrama — lots of bombast, lots of production — and it’s nice to hear someone proving that doesn’t always have to be the case.

My second album had more of what you’re talking about, and it had a lot of songs that I thought would have worked for Blair. But this last album, there really aren’t many — I think I’ve performed three of them on the show. I mean, Frank Valentini isn’t a huge country fan.

Well, I hope you continue to maintain your dual careers. I know juggling them must take some skill.

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. It’s just the craziness of it. You know, for my last album, I did a proper release through a label, and I have 10,000 CDs sitting in my barn. [Laughs] If you can think of any way to get rid of ‘em, let me know!

I have the same problem! I’ve released CDs of my own, and I have boxes full of them in my basement. My wife is not amused.

Yeah, and that’s the crazy thing of it. I don’t like the business aspect of it. If someone else would take care of that…now, you can just take your music straight to iTunes without worrying about a physical release, and that’s probably the smart way to do it, but then you still need someone else to administrate all that stuff. I’m too busy! [Laughs]

In the meantime, there are your two songs on The Sound of a Kiss.

Right, and it’s just a question of getting the word out. Our fans will find out, but how do you get the information out there?

Well, we’ll try and help a little with that.

You’re kind and generous, and it’s appreciated.

Don Was, George Bush, and a Thousand Points of Night

Here’s a curious little novelty item from my promo vaults. Released by Mercury in 1992, this CD single — recorded by Don Was under the cheeky, but not particularly clever, pseudonym A Thousand Points of Night — was timed to coincide with the great Bush/Clinton/Perot three-way showdown known as the ’92 election.

“Read My Lips” wasn’t a hit, and it isn’t a particularly entertaining listen, but after hearing it for the first time in many years this morning, I’m fascinated by how much political pop music has changed in the last 18 years. Jackson Browne and the Amnesty International crowd made some political statements with their music in the ’80s, but by the early ’90s, “Read My Lips” was about as topical as pop got — and the next generation of artists wasn’t interested in politics at all.

That changed in the early aughts, when 9/11, a new Iraq war, and various W. administration shenanigans made politics an every-day concern for artists who’d grown up taking peace and prosperity for granted; these days, musical statements about current events are arguably more common than ever. But they’re also a lot angrier. I mean, yeah, Bruce Cockburn wanted a rocket launcher as far back as the ’80s…but for the most part, artists used to be more interested in imparting a message than venting their rage, and they couched those messages in solid songwriting. Remember when Reagan mistook “Born in the U.S.A.” as a GOP-friendly anthem?

It made a few small news waves in its day, but “Read My Lips” sounds pretty quaint now. I sort of miss the days when a song like this counted as a bold statement.

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Love Me Still

We’re never more vulnerable than when we express our love for another person, and I think properly expressing that vulnerability is one of the hardest things a pop songwriter can try to do. Too often, we’re willing to settle for sentimentality, irony, or cute humor — unnecessary layers built up around a simple, powerful emotion. And it’s understandable, really; when you’re talking about something that boils down to three simple words, you have to find some way of filling up your three minutes.

For a song that most people have never heard — recorded for the soundtrack of Spike Lee’s Clockers, a movie most people have never seen — I think Bruce Hornsby and Chaka Khan’s “Love Me Still” does a pretty tremendous job of expressing the hope and vulnerability of that emotion. It’s a simple song, but it’s honest, and it’s one of the lovelier, more unappreciated entries in a catalog filled with them.

Starting with the quiet bravery of the first line, “Here is my hand for you to hold,” the song echoes places we’ve all been: the declaration of love, the line drawn between “us” and “them,” the bittersweet rush of coming home to another person, the all-important question — do you love me still? One of the things I like best about Hornsby is his need to keep moving musically; few artists have the talent, or the cojones, to wander so far from the sounds and styles that have brought them the most success. But I think his best quality might be his gift for expressing pure emotional openness and honesty, and this song is a case in point. Here are three versions: an instrumental, the soundtrack cut featuring Khan’s vocals, and a live solo performance taken from Hornsby’s box set, Intersections: 1985-2005.

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Old Interview: Michael Been of The Call, November 1992

I was deeply saddened to learn of Michael Been’s recent death. I’d been a huge fan of his work for years — like a few other people, I imagine, I first heard the band in 1989, when “Let the Day Begin” made a dent at MTV and rock radio. But it was the following year, when Red Moon was released, that I really fell in love with the Call, and spent the next year or so delving into a catalog rich with pleasures. After the Call was dropped by MCA, I tracked Been down for this chat about his career, the state of the band, and what was then becoming his 1994 solo debut, On the Verge of a Nervous Breakthrough.

I’d like to start at the beginning. Who would you list as your primary influences? Who did you listen to when you were growing up?

When I was growing up? The Beatles, the Stones…Jimi Hendrix, the Yardbirds, Van Morrison…everybody, when you get down to it. (laughs) I was just a fanatic, you know? All I did was listen to music.

Is there anyone you’d name as a particularly strong influence on you as an artist?

Well, I think all of them have surfaced at different points. In particular…I think John Lennon was big. And I think Bob Dylan expanded the idea of what you could say with lyrics. I don’t think I would have been too excited with rock ‘n’ roll if it had stayed in the “I love you baby, let’s go” kind of place.

You play bass, guitar, and keyboards…

The bass is my main instrument, I think. But yeah, I play keys. Just not enough to hurt. (laughs)

What was your first instrument?

Guitar. But as I was in bands over the years, I remember being in a lot of situations where if we couldn’t find someone, I’d play bass. I’ve been switching off from the time I was 13 or so.

The band you’ve been in for the majority of your career is, of course, the Call. How did that come together?

It was about 1981. I was playing in bars and garages around Santa Cruz; I had just moved up there a couple of years before from L.A. The new wave scene was starting up down there, and I didn’t really like it. That whole skinny tie and sport coat thing, I didn’t care for it, and I wasn’t much aligned with the hardcore punk scene, either. You know, bands like Flipper. I liked it, but that wasn’t what I wanted to do.

So I moved up to northern California and somehow ended up in Santa Cruz. Just got the band together there.

From then until now, the Call has had, for the most part, a pretty rocky relationship with its various labels.

I’d attribute that to not ever fitting into a marketable slot. When I look back on it — and, you know, that’s probably still the problem. Our music just doesn’t fit into one particular genre, to use a horrible word.

When we came out, we didn’t fit the skinny tie image and we didn’t fit the punk image. And when things got bigger throughout the ‘80s, we just didn’t fit in in general commercially. Looking around, it was bands like Duran Duran and Haircut 100, all this crap…and the record company, depending on who was big that year, they’d say “Why can’t you be more like these guys?”

We never related to that. We just kept doing whatever we did — whatever came out. We were never interested in fitting into a particular slot, so we just didn’t fit in well at all. I think that was the biggest problem.

I’d think this would all make you a lot more cynical when it comes to signing contracts.

Well, labels…it’s purely a money situation. Labels love you if you’re making them money, and they don’t care about you if you aren’t. So I’m realistic about it.

If anything, I’m more cynical about radio. Radio is where the power is, and labels bow down to radio. And I’m cynical about the American public’s inability to…I don’t know, keep growing with music somehow.

In fairness, it’s hard to find music that isn’t aggressively promoted.

That’s true — it’s really hard. Ideally, it’d be great to be on an independent label, where people care about you, and you can make the kinds of records you want without anyone looking over your shoulder. But then you can’t get them distributed. Radio won’t play those records. It’s like an old boy network, you know?

That’s a good segue into your experiences at MCA. I’ve heard that the week “Let the Day Begin” went to Number One at AOR, the label stopped making copies of the single.

Yeah. (laughs)

And that when Red Moon came out, label reps were actually calling stations and telling them not to play the record.

Yeah, that’s probably what happened. I know the first story is — well, first of all, you know, “truth” is not a big thing in this business. (laughs) You never know who said what. It’s like the government. With “Let the Day Begin,” though — that was tragic. That really bothered us.

There wasn’t any foul play, though. It was just that MCA was switching over pressing plants, and they hadn’t printed up enough copies of the single — only 100,000, I think. And the record went to number one, and all of a sudden, there weren’t any in the stores — they’d all been sold. It took five weeks for the company to be able to get back to the point where they could start printing copies again, and in those five weeks, well — you live or die in this business.

I’ve never understood how you went from that kind of success to being dropped — by telegram, no less — while touring overseas, just one year later.

Well, we had done the Red Moon album, which was kind of an experimental thing. You know, kind of acoustic-y, playing other kinds of instruments, and I think the record company felt that it was a slap in the face.

I understood their position. What they wanted to do was just scrap that album, because they thought it had no commercial potential whatsoever. And we said, “well, you could be right”…I don’t know if they actually called radio stations and told them not to play it. All I know is that before it came out, some of the guys at the label said they loved it. But other people, I guess higher up, didn’t want it to come out.

Getting away from business and back to art, what inspires you to write a song?

Oh, nothing in particular. And everything.

From the outside, it sounds like the bulk of your songs are really intensely personal.

Well, not all of it is autobiographical. Some of it is certainly observational, and putting myself in another person’s place and imagining how I might feel. But I guess it’s personal — I mean, I don’t sit down and try to write generic songs about generic relationships. (chuckles)

I recently spoke with Peter Himmelman, and he made a comment about writing essentially the same song over and over again, trying to exorcise demons.

(Chuckles) I don’t know if I write the same song over and over again, but I do think the human experience has a lot of common elements. I think what we feel, what we go through…there’s a similarity for all of us. We all go basically toward the same place — down different roads, but toward the same place. And that common experience makes it difficult to write a lot of different songs about a lot of different things.

So you end up writing songs about — like all of us, I think, have problems in our lives, things we’re always dealing with. We never really change, we’re always trying to overcome these faults or problems we’ve had from the beginning, and your challenge as a songwriter is to find new ways of talking about these things. A new language, a new angle to say the same thing, you know?

There’s only so many things we do in a day. You love somebody, you’re sad…we’re limited beings, I think.

How do you think your artistic vision has shifted from the beginning?

(Long pause) I don’t know if it has changed, other than the idea that there’s got to be a better way to do it. (Laughs) I’m always trying to find a better way to write a song. There hasn’t been a big thing where I’ve wanted to do a different thing, I just want to write better. It’s a slow evolving process.

Your major project over the last year or so has been the soundtrack for Paul Schrader’s Light Sleeper.

Actually…not… (laughs) But that’s probably how it’s seemed from the outside. Really, I got a call last fall from Paul, and he’d planned to use Bob Dylan songs in the movie. All of a sudden, he’s done with the movie, and he gets a letter from the record company, and they won’t let him use the music because they’re putting out some compilation. So kind of frantically, he calls me up. I flew to New York and watched bits and pieces of the unedited movie, then went back home and wrote the soundtrack.

For me, it was just about a month and a half of total concentration on that. And then in October, we went into the studio and recorded it all in about ten days. We worked another week or so on it, because there was the idea that if the movie got big enough, they’d want a soundtrack album. Basically what I’m saying is that from the end of August until the end of October, that’s the time I spent working on Light Sleeper.

What I’ve really been working on is writing songs. Jim Goodwin left the band…he had a child, and he doesn’t want to go on the road anymore. We were wondering whether to keep the band together, so I just started writing songs on my own. We’ve been on the road since 1985, solid, every year, so we were just kind of tired anyway.

I’ve been writing with this guitar player friend of mine from back East. I was basically just trying to find out what I want to do. I’d send demo tapes to record companies, and they’d go (audibly wrinkles his nose) “Jeez.” (Laughs) No, it’s been going pretty well.

I hear you’ve signed a deal with Warner Bros.

I’m signed with Warner UK. And I’m in no rush to get something out — what I want to do is make an album that I really, really love. You know, that I’m just crazy about. In the last year and a half to two years, I’ve written and completed about 30 songs, not counting the Light Sleeper stuff, but I’m looking for about a dozen that knock me out, that are the best I can do.

It’s a different thing that I’m doing — it’s all guitars, no keyboards since Jim left. It’s using guitars, but trying to use them in a different way than they’ve been used — without getting into fusion or any crap like that. (Laughs)

I hate to ask this question, but is the Call still together?

Yeah, we are. I just wasn’t interested in making another album and touring, making another album and touring…I didn’t want to look at it that way anymore. Whatever records I make from now on, I want it to be because I’m incredibly happy with them, not because the record company told me “Be a little more like someone else.” It used to be A Flock of Seagulls or whatever. Now I don’t want to be told I need to sound like Pearl Jam or Nirvana. Or, you know, Michael Bolton sells a lot of records, why not try and sound like him?

That’s what you get with record companies. And I’m trying to write songs that are coming out of me. I’m really interested in being an artist, maybe for the first time.

Old Interview: Dan Baird, September 1992

I recently found an ancient bag of microcassette tapes containing some of the interviews I did in the early ’90s. Here’s a 15-minute chat with erstwhile Georgia Satellites frontman Dan Baird, on the occasion of the release of his first solo album, Love Songs for the Hearing Impaired.

I want to discuss some of the experiences you had on each of the albums — starting, of course, with the first one.

Well, I was really nervous. Everybody was. Rick Price had made records before, so he kind of knew what to expect. He’d been, you know, playing in the Brains, but me, Richards, and Magellan were…uh, first time! Scared as shit! We really had to trust Jeff Glixman, who had recorded the fabled EP. For a whole lot of reasons, it was a very worrying experience. It’s funny that it came out so good.

Did you ever think that “Keep Your Hands to Yourself” would be a hit?

Nope. Did you?

The first time I heard it? No.

In all honesty, how could anyone have said that was a hit? It’s a ridiculous, silly song.

The reason I didn’t think it was going to be a hit was that I liked it so much.

That’s usually the kiss of death with me, too.

And then, of course, you came out with another album within…

A couple of years. Yeah, that was a problem album. The band had actually wanted to use a different producer, and I kind of demanded that we use Jeff again, and that created a rift that just kept growing. It was very un-bright on my part. It didn’t have anything to do with Jeff, it didn’t have anything to do with the band — it was just me being stubborn. Stubborn equals stupid a whole lot of times, and I’m living proof.

I wish I had about half the songs back on that record — either rewrite or throw out or something. That album was a ton of leftovers and all kinds of messed-up stuff.

The basic situation where you spend your entire career writing your first album, and then…

Yeah, you’ve got two months.

Which brings us to the third album — my personal favorite.

Well, In the Land of Salvation and Sin was probably the most heartfelt record I’ve made. I was going through a divorce, and it kinda shows up in the writing — kinda, like a sledgehammer — and it was actually a very easy album to make, because I knew exactly what I wanted to do. The band was really behind me, the producer, Joe Hardy, really liked it, and the record company liked it…and the general public didn’t.

It was just one of those things where we wanted to make a screamin’, dyin’, rock ‘n’ roll record, and we kinda did. You know, I’m still really proud of that one. I only wish I had the second one back, and only about half of that one, because half of it was really rockin’. Just take a look at it as an EP. An EP with five bonus tracks! (laughs)

After that, the band was involved in recording a soundtrack, right?

Yeah, we did.

I forget the name of the movie…

So do I! I’m serious. It never came out. It was called Where’s the Check? (laughs) That was the name of that movie, and we did get paid. It stunk, everyone knew it stunk. I even told the producer, “I can write songs that are better than the movie.” He didn’t know what to think of that.

What happened to that material?

It’s just lying around someplace. It’s really…the songs were written for the movie, and the movie wasn’t good. ‘Nuff said. I mean, the performances are fine, but the material itself is very…written for hire.

And then you…decided to fire yourself.

Mmm hmm! Yes I did!

What led to that?

Just the inability to…I just didn’t have the desire to keep it going. It got too hard, and I couldn’t look at myself in the mirror and go, “you’re doing a good job.” I wasn’t.

Did it have anything to do with the band’s album sales?

That was frustrating, but it usually isn’t the reason bands break up. It’s a contributing factor, but a lot of times, it’s symptomatic of…well, you don’t want to say artistic differences, ‘cause that’s such a bullshit phrase. It’s just, it had to do with personal energy. I just didn’t have it. I looked at myself and I thought, if I were looking at someone else in the band, I would do everyone else a favor by quitting. You’re fired. I love you, you’re fired. I really had to look at myself as another person for a few minutes.

About a year and a half after this, the Black Crowes came along, and making pretty much the same kind of music, sold a lot more records.

Right, but I think they have a lot more R&B in their sound. I think of them as more R&B. They’re parallel styles, but only because they draw obviously from certain points in time, and I think that to people that are younger than their influences — in other words, if you didn’t hear, with the Stones and the Faces…I think the Faces would be our common ground. But they do stuff that’s a lot less fun and a lot more heartfelt. I think we had a little more Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers than they do. But I think those guys, if they pay careful attention to their songs, they’re going to be a great rock band. They’re already a really good one, but there’s a difference.

When you heard them break out, was there any frustration?

Not really. I think the first thing I heard was “Jealous Again,” and I went, like everyone else, “Whoa! That rocks.”

In the aftermath of the Georgia Satellites breaking up, did you know you wanted to make a solo album?

No. It was just that I couldn’t think of a great band name, so it just became Dan Baird instead of Dan Baird and the ____________. But I kinda wanted to put myself a little bit at the center of it, just to give it a try and see if I could. I shared vocals the whole time with the Satellites, and I just wanted to see if I could do it! It was that innocent.

It sounds like it came together really quickly.

It did come together fast. Is it really that sloppy? (laughs)

It just sounds like a lot of fun! Especially one of my favorite tracks, “Look at What You Started.”

I like that song too. That’s a rockin’ little thing there — very few people know how to swing like Keith and Mauro figured out, and it’s just such an NRBQ ripoff. It’s just kinda like, you know, if Terry or Joey come at me with a gun, I got nothin’ to say except “here’s the money.”

I only have an advance cassette, so I don’t have access to writer credits, but I do know that “I Love You Period”…you picked that up from another writer, right?

Yes, Terry Anderson. He wrote that by himself, and together we wrote “Look at What You Started,” “The One I Am,” “Dixie Beauxderant,” and “Knocked Up,” and the rest of ‘em are mine. Terry’s a guy who works with a band called the Woods, and he also wrote “Battleship Chains.”

I saw his name on the back of the single, and I was surprised — I assumed this would be like the Satellite days, where you wrote most, if not all…

No, this time I decided I wanted to have good songs. (laughs)

Catchup

I haven’t posted here this week, but that doesn’t mean I’ve been slacking. Here’s what I’ve been up to lately:

Blu-ray Review: The Princess and the Frog (Dadnabbit)
CD Review: Ratboy Jr., Smorgasbord (Dadnabbit)
DVD Review: Chicago, Chicago Transit Authority (Popdose)
Our Favorite Movie Time Machines (Rotten Tomatoes)
CD Review: Goldfrapp, Head First (Eat Sleep Drink Music)
Six Artists We Wish Would Retire (Popdose)
CD Review: Uncle Rock, The Big Picture (Dadnabbit)

Children by the Million

Like a lot of people I know, I’m deeply saddened by the news of Alex Chilton’s sudden death…and also like them, I suspect I’ll be spending most of the day listening to Big Star tomorrow.

Words may come later. Tonight…music.

Keep An Eye On The Sky – Big S…

Clips

Pair of new articles up at Dadnabbit today: A review of the new Rubinoos kids’ album, Biff-Boff-Boing!, and reviews of Disney’s first four Studio Ghibli deluxe DVD/Blu-ray titles.

Hallowed Ground

Temperatures are above 50 degrees here for the first time in months, which means, I guess, that spring is just around the corner — and for some reason, this time of year always makes me think of the spring of 1990.

I’m not sure why, really. It wasn’t that great of a time for me; I was just about to turn 16, for one thing, which meant I took unimportant things way too seriously and willfully ignored the stuff I should have been paying attention to. Like, for instance, the fact that I was eyebrows deep in teenage love for one of my girlfriend’s best friends.

I had hound-dogged Jill for months before getting into a relationship with Cindy, but we were all in high school — a time when “being friends” is always the goal after someone breaks your heart — and even though it probably should have, our tangled pasts didn’t keep the three of us from spending a lot of time together. Similarly, no matter how hard I wished I was over Jill — or how strenuously I pushed her to date my best friend — it didn’t keep my feelings from slowly boiling to the surface. It was like a bad 90210 storyline, before 90210 existed.

And here’s the melodramatic sophomore year kicker: As winter ended and our classrooms filled with sleepy springtime sun during the post-lunch periods, Jill found out she was moving to another state. I was crushed — more than I could even admit to myself, and more than I would have been able to tell anyone even if I’d understood what I was feeling. And by the time I did understand it, she was gone. Jill was fundamentally out of reach even when we were in the same room, and I’m sure my attraction to her had a few fucked up roots; after her family packed up and moved away, she was an irresistible ghost. But that’s another story.

In Billboard terms, Jude Cole is a one-hit wonder, but on my stereo, his 1990 album A View from 3rd Street was a heavy rotation mainstay for most of the year, and its opening track, “Hallowed Ground,” always takes me right back to the way I felt then. Shimmering acoustic guitars descend over a gently insistent beat, and Cole’s husky voice tells the story:

Careless children, fresh as sin
I was your trouble and you were my friend
Sweet as rain on hallowed ground
And one endless summer that ended somehow

Hallowed Ground – Jude Cole

Is it a great song? No. And with that silly “play the blues, boy” tag at the end, it might not even be a good song. But it spoke to me during a time when I was learning about messy grown-up stuff like guilt, and bottomless longing, and how what your heart yearns for can sometimes be just about the last thing you want it to.

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